मैं मनुष्य ही बने रहना चाहता हूँ- विश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी

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हाल में ही प्रसिद्ध आलोचक, लेखक और सबसे बढ़कर एक बेजोड़ अध्यापकविश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी ने अपने जीवन के 80 साल पूरे कर लिए. लेकिन अभी भी वे भरपूर ऊर्जा से सृजनरत हैं. अभी हाल में ही उनकी किताब आई है \’व्योमकेश दरवेश\’, जो हजारी प्रसाद द्विवेदी के जीवन-कर्म पर है. उनसे बातचीत की युवा लेखक शशिभूषण द्विवेदी ने- जानकी पुल.
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प्रश्न- त्रिपाठी जी, कहते हैं कि जब आदमी बहत्तर साल का हो जाता है तो देवता हो जाता है, अब आप तो अस्सी के हो गए हैं। क्या लगता है देवता हो गए हैं या अभी तक मनुष्य ही हैं?

विश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी यह बात मेरे गुरुजी हजारीप्रसाद द्विवेदी जी ने अनामदास का पोथामें लिखी है कि बहत्तर साल का आदमी देवता हो जाता है। पंडितजी संस्कृत, ज्योतिष और तंत्र के भी विद्वान थे, उन्होंने ऐसा लिखा है तो संभव है कि परंपरा में ऐसी कोई बात रही हो। लेकिन मेरी समझ से यह बात उन्होंने व्यंग्य में लिखी थी। अब बहत्तर साल का रिटायर्ड आदमी किसी काम का तो रह नहीं जाता, इंद्रिया जवाब दे जाती हैं, जो जीना-भोगना होता है, जी-भोग लिया होता है। अब उसे पड़े-पड़े भगवद्-भजन के अलावा क्या करना है। तो ऐसे आदमी को देवता कहो या जो कहो। रही मेरी बात तो मैं मनुष्य ही बना हुआ हूं और वही बना रहना चाहता हूं।
प्रश्न- हाल ही में हजारी प्रसाद जी पर आपकी बहुत महत्त्वपूर्ण पुस्तक आई है-व्योमकेश दरवेश। हजारी प्रसाद जी आपके गुरु भी थे। इसे लिखकर क्या आप गुरुऋण से उऋण हो गए?

विश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी इस पुस्तक को लिखने की इच्छा मेरी बहुत पहले से थी लेकिन कभी हिम्मत नहीं कर पाता था। एक तो पंडितजी का व्यक्तित्व इतना विशाल था कि उन पर लिखते हुए हमेशा डरता था कि न्याय कर पाऊंगा या नहीं। सबसे पहले इसे लिखने की इच्छा मैंने भीष्म साहनी के सामने जाहिर की थी। अज्ञेय और भीष्म साहनी के बड़े भाई बलराज साहनी पंडितजी के साथ काम कर चुके थे। फिर पंडितजी के न रहने पर मुझे उनकी याद बहुत सताती थी। उनके साथ मेरा तेईस साल लंबा साथ था। उनके परिवार की भी मुझ पर बहुत कृपा रही। छात्र जीवन में जब मैं उनके संपर्क में आया तो बहुत साधनहीन था। बहुत कम लोगों ने अपने छात्र जीवन में उतने उपवास किए होंगे जितने मुझे करने पड़े। कानपुर से बीए किया। वहां सिनेमा देखने का चस्का लग गया था। सो किसी तरह सेंकंड डिवीजन में पास हुआ। बड़ा दु:खी हुआ और भागकर पंडितजी की शरण में आ गया। पंडितजी के बारे में बहुत सुना था। उनके पास गया तो भक्तिभाव में था, मगर उन्होंने कहा कि तुम्हें क्या पता कि मुझमें कितने दोष हैं। खैर…पंडितजी जानते थे कि भूख आदमी की अनिवार्य जरूरत है। उन्होंने खुद बहुत गरीबी देखी थी। उनके पास जाने पर वे हमेशा पूछते थे कि भोजन किया है या नहीं। भूखे तो नहीं हो। यह बात उनकी सर्जना में भी दिखाई देती है। पंडितजी शास्त्रज्ञ पंडित थे लेकिन साधारण मनुष्य के सुख-दु:ख और उनके जीवन में उनकी बहुत रुचि थी। दलित, वंचित और अभावग्रस्त मनुष्य को लेकर उनके मन में बहुत करुणा थी। वे पहले व्यक्ति थे जिन्होंने अस्पृश्य के संदर्भ में दलित शब्द का प्रयोग किया। पंडितजी परंपरा से जुड़े विद्वान थे लेकिन उनका दृष्टिकोण संकीर्णतारहित था। उनका मानना था कि हिंदी कोई अकेली भाषा नहीं है, वह अखिल भारतीय भाषाओं से जुड़ी है। उसका एक कांटा काशी में है तो दूसरा भुवनेश्वर में और तीसरा केरल में। इस तरह ये चीज उनके साम्राज्यवादी दृष्टिकोण से जुड़ती है। हिंदी क्षेत्रों में तो लोग हिंदी के नाम पर तमाम कर्मकांड करते रहते हैं लेकिन पंडित जी ने शांतिनिकेतन में एक बांग्लाभाषी क्षेत्र में पहली बार हिंदी भवन बनवाया। वे कहते थे कि हिंदी राष्ट्रभाषा है या नहीं, यह सोचना हिंदी वालों का काम नहीं है। इस बारे में दूसरे लोग सोचें। हमारे लिए तो हिंदी मातृभाषा है।

पंडितजी किसी तरह के कर्मकांड में विश्वास नहीं करते थे। वे अकादमिक दुनिया में और अकादमिक दुनिया में भी तमाम तरह के कर्मकांड होते हैं जो पंडितजी को नहीं आते थे इसलिए इस दुनिया में वे हमेशा ही अनफिट रहे। उन्हें काशी हिंदू विश्वविद्यालय छोडऩा पड़ा तब भी कुछ ऐसी ही स्थितियां थीं। उनके विरोधी बहुत हो गए थे। उन्होंने विश्वविद्यालय के पाठ्यक्रम में मीरा पर पद्मावती ‘शबनम’ की किताब की जगह परशुराम चतुर्वेदी की किताब लगवा दी थी। बेशक परशुराम चतुर्वेदी की किताब पद्मावती शबनम की किताब से लाख गुना बेहतर थी लेकिन जिस तरह अकादमिक कर्मकांडों को ताक पर रखकर पंडितजी ने उसे पाठ्यक्रम में लगवाया वह बहुत से लोगों को हजम नहीं हुआ और उनका बहुत विरोध हुआ। आखिरकार पंडितजी को विश्वविद्यालय से हटना पड़ा। लेकिन पंडितजी का सम्मान बहुत था। काशी विश्वविद्यालय से हटते ही उन्हें चंडीगढ़ विश्वविद्यालय से बुलावा आ गया। चंडीगढ़ विश्वविद्यालय में उनकी जगह प्रोफेसर पद के जो उम्मीदवार थे इंद्रनाथ मदान उन्होंने पंडितजी के कारण अपना नाम वापस ले लिया यह कहकर कि प्रोफेसर बनने से अच्छा है कि पंडितजी के अधीन रहकर रीडर बने रहना। तो पंडितजी का सम्मान तो बहुत था लेकिन अकादमिक कर्मकांड में वे कभी फिट नहीं हो पाए। खैर…

तो पंडितजी को मैं जानना चाहता था। जिसके प्रति आपका लगाव होता है उसे आप जानना चाहते हैं। उनके प्रति एक जिज्ञासा थी। श्रद्धा में भी एक जिज्ञासा होती है जैसे प्रेम में होती है। तो उसी जिज्ञासा यानी जानने की प्रक्रिया में यह किताब लिखी गई। लिखना जानने की ही प्रक्रिया है। यही ज्ञान है, गुणकथन है, कीर्तन है। यही कविता है। तो यह एक ही प्रक्रिया के विभिन्न आयाम हैं। फार्म के स्तर पर यह किताब पंडितजी की जीवनी है लेकिन वस्तुत: यह संस्मरणात्मक जीवनी है। चूंकि पंडितजी के प्रति मेरी इतनी श्रद्धा रही है कि उन्हें लेकर मैं तटस्थ रह ही नहीं सकता इसलिए अपनी अक्षमता का मुझे बोध भी है। पंडितजी पर जैसी किताब लिखी जानी चाहिए वह तो बहुत मुश्किल है। हालांकि इस किताब को लिखने को लेकर किसी तरह के नैतिक दायित्व का भाव मुझमें नहीं रहा, बस मैं इसे लिखे बिना रह नहीं सकता था। यह एक तरह से मेरे अस्तित्व की मांग थी। इसे लिखवाने में नामवर जी और नित्यानंद तिवारी की बड़ी भूमिका रही है। मेरे लेखन पर नामवर जी का बहुत असर रहा है। पंडितजी पर किताब लिखने का पहला हक तो नामवर जी का ही था। किन्हीं कारणों से वे नहीं लिख पा रहे हैं, यह अलग बात है। फिर भी उन्होंने पंडितजी पर जो लिखा है- दूसरी परंपरा की खोजवह बहुत महत्त्वपूर्ण है। उसने मुझे बहुत प्रेरित किया। इस तरह इस किताब को लिखने का बहुत बड़ा श्रेय नामवर सिंह को ही जाता है। पंडितजी के बारे में बहुत सी बातें मुझे उन्हीं से पता चलीं।
प्रश्न- जिंदगी का एक बड़ा हिस्सा दिल्ली में बिताने के बाद नंगातलाई के बिसनाथ को क्या अब कभी अपना गांव याद आता है?

विश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी हां, वो सारी चीजें तो मेरे रक्त में डूबी हुई हैं। नंगातलाई का गांव में वो सारी चीजें आई हैं। जब मां की गोद में दूध पीता था वो अनुभव..एक अलग और अनोखे जैविक अध्यात्म का अनुभव है। मेरी मां तब लगभग किशोरी थीं। चांदनी रात में मां का दूध पीने की स्मृति जिसमें सिर्फ मां का दूध ही नहीं उसके शरीर की गंध और वात्सल्य भी पी रहा होता था। पहले प्रेम का अनुभव जो कभी कहा नहीं जा सका। पहला चुंबन जिसका बिंब निराला की एक कविता में आता है- अधरों का रस पीती, कंठ लगी उरगी…। वो सारी चीजें अब भी बहुत हांट करती हैं। गांव के लोग, लक्खा बुआ, नेपाल, माने, जनकदुलारी..सबके किस्से नंगातलाई का गांव में आए हैं। वो सब अब भी बहुत याद आते हैं।
प्रश्न- आगे क्या कुछ लिखना चाहते हैं जो छूट गया हो?

विश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी मेरी बहुत इच्छा है कि मैं अपने गांव के दलितों और वेश्याओं पर लिखूं। वहां बेडि़नियों के जीवन पर। स्वास्थ्य ठीक रहा तो चाहता हूं कि गांव जाकर कुछ महीने रहूं और इस पर लिखूं कि गांव कैसे बदल गया है। आज का गांव प्रेमचंद का गांव नहीं है। वैसा रोमांटिसिज्म, शोषण-अत्याचार का वो रूप भी वो नहीं है। जाति प्रथा तेजी से मिट रही है। दलितों के जीवन में एक नया सवेरा आ रहा है। इस तरह दलितों के जीवन में खुशी और उल्लास का नया तत्व आया है, मैं उस पर लिखना चाहता हूं। फिर अपने शिष्यों पर मैंने संस्मरण लिखे थे। उसमें कुछ चीजें रह गई हैं उन्हें लिखना चाहता हूं। इसके अलावा कहानी पर एक सैद्धांतिक किताब लिखना चाहता हूं। लेकिन फिलहाल यह किताब लिख ली है। अब कुछ दिन आराम करना चाहता हूं।
प्रश्न- साहित्य के अलावा संगीत में भी आपकी गहरी रुचि है। उसके बारे में कुछ बताएं?

विश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी मैं शास्त्रीय संगीत बहुत सुनता हूं। भीमसेन जोशी का शुद्ध कल्याण मुझे बहुत प्रिय है। उनका गाया तुम बिन कौन ले खबरिया…मुझे अक्सर बहुतभावविभोर कर देता है। उनके स्वर में जो एक पवित्र याचना है वो और कहीं नहीं मिलती। संगीत में थोड़ी बहुत रुचि छात्र जीवन से ही थी। रुइया हास्टल में रहकर जब पढ़ता था तो वहीं पास में म्यूजिक कॉलेज था जिसके प्रिंसिपल थे ओंकारनाथ ठाकुर। उनके पास हम लोग जाया करते थे। शास्त्रीय संगीत में रुचि उन्हीं के कारण हुई। भीमसेन जोशी के संगीत से मेरा पहले-पहल परिचय मेरे एक साथी सान्याल ने कराया था। एक शाम उसने मुझसे कहा कि चलो तुम्हें शास्त्रीय संगीत सुनना सिखाता हूं। मैं उसके साथ हो लिया। उसके कमरे पर जाकर हम लोगों ने शराब पी। फिर उसने भीमसेन जोशी का शुद्ध कल्याण बजाया और कमरे की सारी बत्ती बुझा दी। अचानक मुझे लगा कि आंखों के आगे तमाम बिंब उभरने लगे हैं। यह एक अलग तरह का आध्यात्मिक अनुभव था। एक बात जान लो, कविता की तरह संगीत में भी भाव होते हैं, बल्कि संगीत हमारी भावनाओं का ही स्वरनाट्य है। दरअसल, सत्य शब्दों में नहीं होता, स्वर में होता है। बच्चा जब मां से कुछ मांगता है तो स्वर में ही मांगता है। यह स्वर प्रकृति में है। कविता तो उन्हें पकडऩे का प्रयास भर करती है। यहीं कला का सौंदर्य है। सौंदर्य का कोई उद्देश्य नहीं होता। सौंदर्य का उद्देश्य सिर्फ सौंदर्य होता है। इस तरह कला की साधना एक तरह से दैवीय साधना भी है। लेकिन मैं यहां कहना चाहता हूं कि आज ग्लोबल मार्केट के दौर में कला का यह सौंदर्य बर्बाद हुआ है क्योंकि वहां सौंदर्येतर उद्देश्य हैं। यह बात मुझे बहुत पीड़ा देती है।
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हाल में ही प्रसिद्ध आलोचक, लेखक और सबसे बढ़कर एक बेजोड़ अध्यापकविश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी ने अपने जीवन के 80 साल पूरे कर लिए. लेकिन अभी भी वे भरपूर ऊर्जा से सृजनरत हैं. अभी हाल में ही उनकी किताब आई है व्योमकेश दरवेश‘, जो हजारी प्रसाद द्विवेदी के जीवन-कर्म पर है. उनसे बातचीत की युवा लेखक शशिभूषण द्विवेदी ने- जानकी पुल.
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प्रश्न- त्रिपाठी जी, कहते हैं कि जब आदमी बहत्तर साल का हो जाता है तो देवता हो जाता है, अब आप तो अस्सी के हो गए हैं। क्या लगता है देवता हो गए हैं या अभी तक मनुष्य ही हैं?

विश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी यह बात मेरे गुरुजी हजारीप्रसाद द्विवेदी जी ने अनामदास का पोथामें लिखी है कि बहत्तर साल का आदमी देवता हो जाता है। पंडितजी संस्कृत, ज्योतिष और तंत्र के भी विद्वान थे, उन्होंने ऐसा लिखा है तो संभव है कि परंपरा में ऐसी कोई बात रही हो। लेकिन मेरी समझ से यह बात उन्होंने व्यंग्य में लिखी थी। अब बहत्तर साल का रिटायर्ड आदमी किसी काम का तो रह नहीं जाता, इंद्रिया जवाब दे जाती हैं, जो जीना-भोगना होता है, जी-भोग लिया होता है। अब उसे पड़े-पड़े भगवद्-भजन के अलावा क्या करना है। तो ऐसे आदमी को देवता कहो या जो कहो। रही मेरी बात तो मैं मनुष्य ही बना हुआ हूं और वही बना रहना चाहता हूं।
प्रश्न- हाल ही में हजारी प्रसाद जी पर आपकी बहुत महत्त्वपूर्ण पुस्तक आई है-व्योमकेश दरवेश। हजारी प्रसाद जी आपके गुरु भी थे। इसे लिखकर क्या आप गुरुऋण से उऋण हो गए?

विश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी इस पुस्तक को लिखने की इच्छा मेरी बहुत पहले से थी लेकिन कभी हिम्मत नहीं कर पाता था। एक तो पंडितजी का व्यक्तित्व इतना विशाल था कि उन पर लिखते हुए हमेशा डरता था कि न्याय कर पाऊंगा या नहीं। सबसे पहले इसे लिखने की इच्छा मैंने भीष्म साहनी के सामने जाहिर की थी। अज्ञेय और भीष्म साहनी के बड़े भाई बलराज साहनी पंडितजी के साथ काम कर चुके थे। फिर पंडितजी के न रहने पर मुझे उनकी याद बहुत सताती थी। उनके साथ मेरा तेईस साल लंबा साथ था। उनके परिवार की भी मुझ पर बहुत कृपा रही। छात्र जीवन में जब मैं उनके संपर्क में आया तो बहुत साधनहीन था। बहुत कम लोगों ने अपने छात्र जीवन में उतने उपवास किए होंगे जितने मुझे करने पड़े। कानपुर से बीए किया। वहां सिनेमा देखने का चस्का लग गया था। सो किसी तरह सेंकंड डिवीजन में पास हुआ। बड़ा दु:खी हुआ और भागकर पंडितजी की शरण में आ गया। पंडितजी के बारे में बहुत सुना था। उनके पास गया तो भक्तिभाव में था, मगर उन्होंने कहा कि तुम्हें क्या पता कि मुझमें कितने दोष हैं। खैर…पंडितजी जानते थे कि भूख आदमी की अनिवार्य जरूरत है। उन्होंने खुद बहुत गरीबी देखी थी। उनके पास जाने पर वे हमेशा पूछते थे कि भोजन किया है या नहीं। भूखे तो नहीं हो। यह बात उनकी सर्जना में भी दिखाई देती है। पंडितजी शास्त्रज्ञ पंडित थे लेकिन साधारण मनुष्य के सुख-दु:ख और उनके जीवन में उनकी बहुत रुचि थी। दलित, वंचित और अभावग्रस्त मनुष्य को लेकर उनके मन में बहुत करुणा थी। वे पहले व्यक्ति थे जिन्होंने अस्पृश्य के संदर्भ में दलित शब्द का प्रयोग किया। पंडितजी परंपरा से जुड़े विद्वान थे लेकिन उनका दृष्टिकोण संकीर्णतारहित था। उनका मानना था कि हिंदी कोई अकेली भाषा नहीं है, वह अखिल भारतीय भाषाओं से जुड़ी है। उसका एक कांटा काशी में है तो दूसरा भुवनेश्वर में और तीसरा केरल में। इस तरह ये चीज उनके साम्राज्यवादी दृष्टिकोण से जुड़ती है। हिंदी क्षेत्रों में तो लोग हिंदी के नाम पर तमाम कर्मकांड करते रहते हैं लेकिन पंडित जी ने शांतिनिकेतन में एक बांग्लाभाषी क्षेत्र में पहली बार हिंदी भवन बनवाया। वे कहते थे कि हिंदी राष्ट्रभाषा है या नहीं, यह सोचना हिंदी वालों का काम नहीं है। इस बारे में दूसरे लोग सोचें। हमारे लिए तो हिंदी मातृभाषा है।

पंडितजी किसी तरह के कर्मकांड में विश्वास नहीं करते थे। वे अकादमिक दुनिया में और अकादमिक दुनिया में भी तमाम तरह के कर्मकांड होते हैं जो पंडितजी को नहीं आते थे इसलिए इस दुनिया में वे हमेशा ही अनफिट रहे। उन्हें काशी हिंदू विश्वविद्यालय छोडऩा पड़ा तब भी कुछ ऐसी ही स्थितियां थीं। उनके विरोधी बहुत हो गए थे। उन्होंने विश्वविद्यालय के पाठ्यक्रम में मीरा पर पद्मावती ‘शबनम’ की किताब की जगह परशुराम चतुर्वेदी की किताब लगवा दी थी। बेशक परशुराम चतुर्वेदी की किताब पद्मावती शबनम की किताब से लाख गुना बेहतर थी लेकिन जिस तरह अकादमिक कर्मकांडों को ताक पर रखकर पंडितजी ने उसे पाठ्यक्रम में लगवाया वह बहुत से लोगों को हजम नहीं हुआ और उनका बहुत विरोध हुआ। आखिरकार पंडितजी को विश्वविद्यालय से हटना पड़ा। लेकिन पंडितजी का सम्मान बहुत था। काशी विश्वविद्यालय से हटते ही उन्हें चंडीगढ़ विश्वविद्यालय से बुलावा आ गया। चंडीगढ़ विश्वविद्यालय में उनकी जगह प्रोफेसर पद के जो उम्मीदवार थे इंद्रनाथ मदान उन्होंने पंडितजी के कारण अपना नाम वापस ले लिया यह कहकर कि प्रोफेसर बनने से अच्छा है कि पंडितजी के अधीन रहकर रीडर बने रहना। तो पंडितजी का सम्मान तो बहुत था लेकिन अकादमिक कर्मकांड में वे कभी फिट नहीं हो पाए। खैर…

तो पंडितजी को मैं जानना चाहता था। जिसके प्रति आपका लगाव होता है उसे आप जानना चाहते हैं। उनके प्रति एक जिज्ञासा थी। श्रद्धा में भी एक जिज्ञासा होती है जैसे प्रेम में होती है। तो उसी जिज्ञासा यानी जानने की प्रक्रिया में यह किताब लिखी गई। लिखना जानने की ही प्रक्रिया है। यही ज्ञान है, गुणकथन है, कीर्तन है। यही कविता है। तो यह एक ही प्रक्रिया के विभिन्न आयाम हैं। फार्म के स्तर पर यह किताब पंडितजी की जीवनी है लेकिन वस्तुत: यह संस्मरणात्मक जीवनी है। चूंकि पंडितजी के प्रति मेरी इतनी श्रद्धा रही है कि उन्हें लेकर मैं तटस्थ रह ही नहीं सकता इसलिए अपनी अक्षमता का मुझे बोध भी है। पंडितजी पर जैसी किताब लिखी जानी चाहिए वह तो बहुत मुश्किल है। हालांकि इस किताब को लिखने को लेकर किसी तरह के नैतिक दायित्व का भाव मुझमें नहीं रहा, बस मैं इसे लिखे बिना रह नहीं सकता था। यह एक तरह से मेरे अस्तित्व की मांग थी। इसे लिखवाने में नामवर जी और नित्यानंद तिवारी की बड़ी भूमिका रही है। मेरे लेखन पर नामवर जी का बहुत असर रहा है। पंडितजी पर किताब लिखने का पहला हक तो नामवर जी का ही था। किन्हीं कारणों से वे नहीं लिख पा रहे हैं, यह अलग बात है। फिर भी उन्होंने पंडितजी पर जो लिखा है- दूसरी परंपरा की खोजवह बहुत महत्त्वपूर्ण है। उसने मुझे बहुत प्रेरित किया। इस तरह इस किताब को लिखने का बहुत बड़ा श्रेय नामवर सिंह को ही जाता है। पंडितजी के बारे में बहुत सी बातें मुझे उन्हीं से पता चलीं।
प्रश्न- जिंदगी का एक बड़ा हिस्सा दिल्ली में बिताने के बाद नंगातलाई के बिसनाथ को क्या अब कभी अपना गांव याद आता है?

विश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी हां, वो सारी चीजें तो मेरे रक्त में डूबी हुई हैं। नंगातलाई का गांव में वो सारी चीजें आई हैं। जब मां की गोद में दूध पीता था वो अनुभव..एक अलग और अनोखे जैविक अध्यात्म का अनुभव है। मेरी मां तब लगभग किशोरी थीं। चांदनी रात में मां का दूध पीने की स्मृति जिसमें सिर्फ मां का दूध ही नहीं उसके शरीर की गंध और वात्सल्य भी पी रहा होता था। पहले प्रेम का अनुभव जो कभी कहा नहीं जा सका। पहला चुंबन जिसका बिंब निराला की एक कविता में आता है- अधरों का रस पीती, कंठ लगी उरगी…। वो सारी चीजें अब भी बहुत हांट करती हैं। गांव के लोग, लक्खा बुआ, नेपाल, माने, जनकदुलारी..सबके किस्से नंगातलाई का गांव में आए हैं। वो सब अब भी बहुत याद आते हैं।
प्रश्न- आगे क्या कुछ लिखना चाहते हैं जो छूट गया हो?

विश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी मेरी बहुत इच्छा है कि मैं अपने गांव के दलितों और वेश्याओं पर लिखूं। वहां बेडि़नियों के जीवन पर। स्वास्थ्य ठीक रहा तो चाहता हूं कि गांव जाकर कुछ महीने रहूं और इस पर लिखूं कि गांव कैसे बदल गया है। आज का गांव प्रेमचंद का गांव नहीं है। वैसा रोमांटिसिज्म, शोषण-अत्याचार का वो रूप भी वो नहीं है। जाति प्रथा तेजी से मिट रही है। दलितों के जीवन में एक नया सवेरा आ रहा है। इस तरह दलितों के जीवन में खुशी और उल्लास का नया तत्व आया है, मैं उस पर लिखना चाहता हूं। फिर अपने शिष्यों पर मैंने संस्मरण लिखे थे। उसमें कुछ चीजें रह गई हैं उन्हें लिखना चाहता हूं। इसके अलावा कहानी पर एक सैद्धांतिक किताब लिखना चाहता हूं। लेकिन फिलहाल यह किताब लिख ली है। अब कुछ दिन आराम करना चाहता हूं।
प्रश्न- साहित्य के अलावा संगीत में भी आपकी गहरी रुचि है। उसके बारे में कुछ बताएं?

विश्वनाथ त्रिपाठी मैं शास्त्रीय संगीत बहुत सुनता हूं। भीमसेन जोशी का शुद्ध कल्याण मुझे बहुत प्रिय है। उनका गाया तुम बिन कौन ले खबरिया…मुझे अक्सर बहुतभावविभोर कर देता है। उनके स्वर में जो एक पवित्र याचना है वो और कहीं नहीं मिलती। संगीत में थोड़ी बहुत रुचि छात्र जीवन से ही थी। रुइया हास्टल में रहकर जब पढ़ता था तो वहीं पास में म्यूजिक कॉलेज था जिसके प्रिंसिपल थे ओंकारनाथ ठाकुर। उनके पास हम लोग जाया करते थे। शास्त्रीय संगीत में रुचि उन्हीं के कारण हुई। भीमसेन जोशी के संगीत से मेरा पहले-पहल परिचय मेरे एक साथी सान्याल ने कराया था। एक शाम उसने मुझसे कहा कि चलो तुम्हें शास्त्रीय संगीत सुनना सिखाता हूं। मैं उसके साथ हो लिया। उसके कमरे पर जाकर हम लोगों ने शराब पी। फिर उसने भीमसेन जोशी का शुद्ध कल्याण बजाया और कमरे की सारी बत्ती बुझा दी। अचानक मुझे लगा कि आंखों के आगे तमाम बिंब उभरने लगे हैं। यह एक अलग तरह का आध्यात्मिक अनुभव था। एक बात जान लो, कविता की तरह संगीत में भी भाव होते हैं, बल्कि संगीत हमारी भावनाओं का ही स्वरनाट्य है। दरअसल, सत्य शब्दों में नहीं होता, स्वर में होता है। बच्चा जब मां से कुछ मांगता है तो स्वर में ही मांगता है। यह स्वर प्रकृति में है। कविता तो उन्हें पकडऩे का प्रयास भर करती है। यहीं कला का सौंदर्य है। सौंदर्य का कोई उद्देश्य नहीं होता। सौंदर्य का उद्देश्य सिर्फ सौंदर्य होता है। इस तरह कला की साधना एक तरह से दैवीय साधना भी है। लेकिन मैं यहां कहना चाहता हूं कि आज ग्लोबल मार्केट के दौर में कला का यह सौंदर्य बर्बाद हुआ है क्योंकि वहां सौंदर्येतर उद्देश्य हैं। यह बात मुझे बहुत पीड़ा देती है।
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  1. बहुत अच्‍छा साक्षात्‍कार…..व्‍यास सम्‍मान मिलने के शुभावसर पर दोनों को हार्दिक बधाई ….. जानकी पुल का भी आभार…..

  2. अच्‍छी लगी यह बातचीत। लेखक बातचीत में खुलता है। व्‍योमकेश दरवेश उनके रम्‍य गद्य का बेहतरीन उदाहरण है जो यह बताता है कि आलोचक के भीतर भाषा की अनेक तहें होती हैं। जिस पर गुरुवर हजारीप्रसाद द्विवेदी जैसे लेखक का हाथ रहा हो, उसकी लेखनी सधी हुई ही होगी ही। साधुवाद जानकीपुल त्रिपाठी जी व शशि के इस त्रयीसंयोग को।

  3. बहुत प्रभावी साक्षात्कार है, इस अर्थ में कि इसमें त्रिपाठी जी का क केवल प्रबुद्ध उजागर हुआ है, बल्कि इसमें उनके जीवन की प्रक्रिया का स्पंदन भी छलका है. वह एक निश्छल और पारदर्शी व्यक्ति हैं, लेकिन बंधु शांति भूषण द्विवेदी ने जिस सहजता से उनके अंतरंग धरातल का स्पर्श किया है, वह सराहनीय है.

  4. बच्चा जब मां से कुछ मांगता है तो स्वर में ही मांगता है। यह स्वर प्रकृति में है। कविता तो उन्हें पकडऩे का प्रयास भर करती है। यहीं कला का सौंदर्य है। सौंदर्य का कोई उद्देश्य नहीं होता। सौंदर्य का उद्देश्य सिर्फ सौंदर्य होता है। इस तरह कला की साधना एक तरह से दैवीय साधना भी है। लेकिन मैं यहां कहना चाहता हूं कि आज ग्लोबल मार्केट के दौर में कला का यह सौंदर्य बर्बाद हुआ है क्योंकि वहां सौंदर्येतर उद्देश्य हैं। यह बात मुझे बहुत पीड़ा देती है…………..वाह बहुत सुन्दर व सार्थक बात आज के परिद्रस्य की ….इस तरह की वार्तालाभ से जीवन की गाड़ी में कही …और चलने का इधन उपलब्ध होजात है या हुआ करता है कही ….शुक्रिया जी .Nirmal Paneri

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    Анна 03/20/2021 14:03
    Даже уголовные дела , которые ведутся против создателя ЦБТ Телетрейд, не могут заставить одуматься сотрудников этой конторки. По какой-то причине они держатся за Центр Биржевых Технологий. Скорее всего играет свою роль то, что ТТ выплачивает им премии с каждого ученика, которого Центр Биржевых Технологий направил терять свои деньги к ним. Ну и конечно не нужно забывать про то, что после этой обучающей компании никого из этих сотрудников ни одна адекватная компания на работу не возьмет. Конечно, многим нужны бессовестные менеджеры, но не те, кто чудом избежал обвинения в соучастии ограбления.
    Руслан 03/19/2021 20:03
    Беспринципность ЦБТ просто поражает. Мало того, что Центр Биржевых Технологий свою обучающую программу ухудшает каждый год, в чем я и мои друзья уже убедились на собственном опыте, так он по-прежнему посылают своих учеников терять деньги в Телетрейд, эту финансовую пирамиду, которая их когда-то создала. А ведь на ТТ заведены уголовные дела как раз из-за воровства финансов клиентов и Центр Биржевых Технологий это прекрасно знает и понимает. Но они продолжают свою деятельность и даже не думают останавливаться
    Владимир 03/18/2021 12:03
    Я видел разные отзывы про Центр Биржевых Технологий, и разные ответы представителей этой компании на те отзывы, но то, что в последнее время сочиняет эта компания, на голову не налазет! Это ЦТБ является активным участником мошеннических схем на пару с Телетрейд, это ваша фирма кидает людей на деньги, даже Нац. Комиссия предостерегает людей от сотрудничества в этой компанией, а вы обвиняете в этом какое-то агентство, каких-то людей! Центр Биржевых Технологий переходит всякие рамки дозволенного! Все в этой фирме должны быть притянуты к уголовной ответственности!
    Василий 12/07/2017 07:12
    Прикольно, что у нас есть такие компании, которые обучают торговать. Я ходил в центр биржевых технологий на обучение в прошлом месяце. Все курсы длились две недели. За это время нам рассказали о том, как устроен рынок форекс и как на нем торговать. Очень понравилась стратегия бетмен и то, как ее можно применять на выходе из бокового движения. В общем буду практиковаться. Еще понравилось то, что офис расположен в центре и удобно доехать до него как на машине, так и на метро, пару раз приходилось:-). Катя молодец, как препод знает информацию и дает много практических советов в торговле. В общем я остался доволен. Что кусается, так это цена. Заплатил за курсы 4000 грн, но с другой стороны знания того стояли. В общем, знания дают толковые.
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    Алекс 03/26/2019 16:03
    Левый коммент в стиле ЦБТ. Они любят себе везде писать хорошие комменты на ютюбе. Только вот просчитались немного с городом, ляпнули киевский коммент в Одессу. Или я живу в Одессе на другой планете, где метро нет и никогда не будет ))))
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    Станислав 11/20/2017 04:11
    В прошлом году я устроился на работу в центре биржевых технологий в Одессе, офис у них на вице адмирала Жукова, 14, недалеко от греческой площади. Офис конечно красивый они себе сделали, видно, что новый, хотя я слышал, что это все здание их, но побывать на других этажах, кроме столовой мне не довелось. Теперь о самой работе. Я работал консультаном, меня обучали торговать на демо счете, и потом это обучение давать клиентам, которые приходили научиться торговать. Могу сказать, что обучение здесь хорошее, потому што я потом торговал на демке и делал хороший результат, даже думал открывать себе реал, но не сложилось. Колектив тоже хороший, все молодые люди, больше парней, хотя девушки тоже есть, но директор Дмитрий был против них, говорил, что они разлагают дисциплину. Еще я проводил там лекции для клиентов, хотя они меня напрягали, так как я боюсь публики и это было в напряг для меня. Зарплата была нормальная, ставка и бонусы от обучения, так что на жизнь немного хватало. Единственное, что бесило так это постоянные планы и задачи на день. Директор собирал нас каждое утро с другими менеджерами и постоянно устраивал разборы полетов, а почему клиенты мало сделок делают, почему практикантов мало, а то, что не от куда их было брать, ведь у нас народ не очень любит учится его это не волновало. Именно поэтому я и уволился, так как он сел на шею и вечно давил, план, план, план, а сам для этого ничего не делал. Я слышал, что там сейчас другой директор – возможно что-то поменялось.
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    hone 03/07/2017 19:03
    Доброго всем дня!я работал в так называемой компании центр биржевых технологий а по старому они назывались телетрейд и я вам скажу что это просто шарашкина кантора,которая за счет своих клиентов построила себе 5-ти этажный бизнес центр WS ))) вы только посмотрите какое громкое название WS(Wall Street) и еще рядом 3-х этажную гостиницу.Такие шарлатаны как они должны сидеть в тюрьме. В этой компании работают как они любят себя называть профессионалы с большой буквы а на самом деле просто полнейшие дилетанты,там безусловно есть талантливые ребята которые работают и еще не разобрались в какой гадючник они попали но когда они поймут то сразу уходят от них .Они заманивают к себе большой зарплатой но по факту они находят кучу причин оштрафовать вас на 50 или 100 $ при ЗП 300 и при этом еще говорят скажи спасибо что не 150$ Я имел счастье общаться с многими начальниками но там есть такие уникумы что просто нет слов.Самый большой начальник в “” это Эльвира Александровна большая шишка которая практически все рабочее время проводила в салоне красоты на маникюре или выщупывала себе брови или Леонид начальник компьютерного отдела который думает что он самый умный и ходит по центру как напыщенный индюк и полирует свою лысину до блеска .Я надеюсь что наша милиция в скором будущем возьмется за вас и вы получите за все так сказать хорошее что вы сделали…
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    ghost 04/29/2017 06:04
    всем доброго дня! хочу вас предупредить что бы вы не шли работать в телетреид особенно на 4 этаж там работает упырь по имени лёня да да именно с маленькой буквы “л”,он думает что он самый умный а на самом деле он один из самых тупых людей которого я только видел а я видел очень многих людей. Он крутит мутит что то свое и при этом руководство даже не догадываеться что этот мудак делает с деньгами компании
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    Проверка информации о компании «Эсперио»
    Кладезем базовых юридических данных являются документы и футер сайта, заполненный очень мелким, слепым шрифтом. Поэтому удобнее обращаться к разделу «Правовая информация», который сослали на третий уровень интернет-ресурса, в категорию «О компании».

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    скан-копии свидетельства о регистрации,
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    Это настораживающий фактор, который сразу понижает степень доверия к Esperio. А ключевые сведения будем выяснять самостоятельно, перепроверяя отрывочную информацию из футера официального сайта и из шапки клиентского соглашения.

    Как чёрный брокер Esperio маскируется под нормального

    Итак, заявлено, что сайтом управляет компания OFG Cap. Ltd с регистрацией на Сент-Винсент и Гренадинах. Это островное офшорное государство давно является прибежищем сомнительных компаний, которые покупают местную регистрацию по вполне доступной цене. Однако для этого нужно предпринять хотя бы минимальный набор действий и подать скромный пакет документов.

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    Как чёрный брокер Esperio маскируется под нормального

    Далее, у брокера обязана быть лицензия на данный вид деятельности. Её выдают финансовые государственные регуляторы: подробнее об этой системе полезно прочитать в соответствующей статье нашего блога. В островном офшоре есть собственный финансовый госрегулятор под названием Financial Services Authority. Самый надёжный и при этом простой способ проверки наличия лицензии следующий: зайти на официальный сайт регулятора и ввести название компании в поиск. Результат отрицательный: ни OFG Cap. Ltd, ни Esperio в FSA не лицензировались. Так что компания не имеет разрешения на финансовую деятельность даже в заявленной стране регистрации, которая, впрочем, тоже оказалась фейковой.

    Впрочем, даже в случае легального оформления юрлица и лицензирования по месту регистрации этого недостаточно для работы в правовом поле Российской Федерации. Оказывать брокерские услуги в стране можно исключительно по лицензии Центробанка РФ. Российский регулятор, как и все его иностранные коллеги, призван способствовать прозрачности рынка и ведёт открытые реестры держателей своих допусков и чёрные списки. Поиск по реестрам на сайте ЦБ РФ показывает, что брокер Esperio ему знаком. Он загремел в чёрный список компаний с признаками нелегального профучастника рынка ценных бумаг. Этот корректный термин обозначает лохоброкера: всё-таки не полагается почтенному государственному регулятору такую терминологию использовать.

    Обратите внимание на сайты, перечисленные на скриншоте из чёрного списка Центробанка РФ. Видно, что мошенники часто запускают зеркала своего сайта. Этому может быть только одна причина: их блокировка за мошенничество для российских пользователей, которые являются основной целевой аудиторией лжеброкеров.

    На момент написания обзора провайдеры РФ пока не перекрыли доступ к esperio.org. Однако, судя по активности лохоброкера, и эта мера не за горами.

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    Адрес и стаж как признаки мошенничества Esperio
    В ходе проверки информации о компании «Вся Правда» также рекомендует пробивать заявленный на её интернет-ресурсе адрес. Хотя бы через поисковые системы и, особенно, через Гугл-карты. Такой простой метод позволяет отсечь вымышленные координаты, которыми часто прикрываются мошенники, а также полюбоваться на заявленные места головных офисов. Этот простой метод не подвёл и с «Эсперио».

    В футере сайта, а также в шапке клиентского договора указан один и тот же адрес на Сент-Винсент и Гренадинах: First Floor, First St. Vincent Bank Ltd Building, James Street, Kingstown. Здание действительно существует, и оно напрямую связано с финансовой системой. Находится в нём ровно то, что мошенники не удосужились вычистить из адреса: First St. Vincent Bank Ltd Building. То есть главный банк страны.

    Несмотря на миниатюрность учреждения в карликовом государстве, офшорный банк не бедствует и уж точно не докатился до сдачи в аренду первого этажа здания всяческим проходимцам. Банкам по любым протоколам безопасности запрещается делить помещения с любыми арендаторами, поскольку это создаёт дополнительную уязвимость.

    Ровно этим же адресом прикрылись лохоброкеры Pro Trend и Moon X. При этом признаков клонирования у этих ресурсов с Esperio нет, так что скорее мы имеем дело с новым популярным резиновым адресом. Выбор удачный: координаты ещё не растиражированы по сотням и тысячам сайтов, рисков, что на далёкий офшорный остров нагрянет русскоязычный клиент мало. Да ещё и поверхностная проверка через поисковик покажет, что адрес существует и там что-то про финансы. Так что для целей мошенников отлично подходит.

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    Не менее полезно проверять реальный стаж компаний. В большинстве случаев его выдаёт доменное имя. Esperio уверяет, что работает на благо трейдеров с 2011 года, однако проверка по доменному имени изобличает эту ложь. Сайт esperio.org пустили в дело только в мае 2022 года. Это зеркало, как и все прочие засветившиеся на скриншоте Центробанка РФ доменные имена лжеброкера, созданы в середине 2021 года. То есть лоховозка работает не более 1 календарного года. Впрочем, это солидный срок: большинство её коллег не преодолевают рубежа в несколько месяцев. Однако речи о солидном стаже и соответствии заявленному в легенде 2011 году не идёт.

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    Отзывы о «Эсперио»
    Многие лохоброкеры легко меняют названия и доменные имена своих проектов. Однако этот за название цепляется вот уже скоро год, даже несколько зеркал последовательно запустил, после блокировок за мошенничество.

    Причина такой приверженности к названию становится понятна, если поискать отзывы о Esperio. Организаторы лохотрона потратились на изрядное количество платных комментариев, причём в две волны. Первую к запуску лжеброкера летом 2021 года, вторую — на рубеже 2021 и 2022 года. Не пропадать же добру из-за того, что по предписанию Центробанка сайт блокируют за попытку предлагать нелегальные финансовые услуги: всё-таки потратились на написание и размещение на множестве площадок. Эти площадки, правда, выбирали по принципу побольше и подешевле, лишь бы занять места в топе выдачи запросов. Особенно размещение на портале «Брянские новости» доставляет.

    Реальные отзывы о Esperio также встречаются: показываем образцы на скриншоте. Жертвы лжеброкеров дружно жалуются на невозможность вывести деньги.

    Как чёрный брокер Esperio маскируется под нормального

    Схема развода «Эсперио»
    Здесь всё стандартно. Выводить сделки на межбанк анонимный лохотрон не может. Трейдинг здесь в лучшем случае имитируют с помощью поддельных терминалов, выдавая учебные симуляторы за реальную торговлю. Лжеброкер работает исключительно на приём средств, непрерывно уговаривая жертв нарастить депозиты под любыми предлогами. Вывод денег из Esperio выполнить не позволят. Разве что некоторым клиентам, которых мошенники признали особо перспективными, позволяли снять тестовую мелочь. Исключительно успокаивая бдительность и выманивая крупные суммы, с которыми аферисты уже не расстанутся.

    Заключение
    Лжеброкер Esperio потратился на приличный нешаблонный сайт и платные отзывы. Значит, пришёл разводить людей всерьёз и надолго. Такие мошенники опаснее топорно выполненных однодневок, однако изучение их базовой юридической информации позволяет своевременно опознать лохотрон.

    Как проверить Esperio на признаки мошенничества?
    Чтобы проверить компанию на наличие жалоб и эпизодов введения клиентов в заблуждение, воспользуйтесь бесплатным сервисом ВСЯ ПРАВДА. Скопируйте адрес интересующего сайта и вставьте его в форму. Отправьте заявку и получите полное досье о компании. Также рекомендуем обращать внимание на отзывы других пользователей.
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